ImpDev Meetups/2012-11-19

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ImpDev Meetup for November 19, 2012.


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Nov 18 21:28:29 	Moving the meeting here due to instability on the meeting sim. Nov 18 21:28:53 	hi.. Nov 18 21:29:20 	heya Nov 18 21:29:36 	G'day. Nov 18 21:29:52 	ok, no faces here Nov 18 21:30:06 	Mines as ugly as usual, so not missing much. Nov 18 21:31:13 	.ok :) Nov 18 21:31:18 	http://wiki.kokuaviewer.org/wiki/Monthly_Team_Purple_in_world_meetup_agenda (for those in the channel here who haven't been with us inworld) Nov 18 21:31:22 	topics.. Nov 18 21:32:00 	I'm tied up helping someone on OSgrid... was gonna pop by when I could wrap that up. :) So this works for me. lol Nov 18 21:32:00 	Same as last time, and again we should have more people here to discuss it. lol Nov 18 21:32:17 	:) Nov 18 21:32:45 	(i cannot see u typing here. .) Nov 18 21:33:10 	Welcome to IRC Kentron, the ancient chat room experience. Nov 18 21:33:38 	ehhe.. Nov 18 21:33:45 	usually without client crashes, but with the occasional netsplit Nov 18 21:33:52 	mmmhmm Nov 18 21:34:07 	anyway, back to our agenda topics Nov 18 21:34:13 	kk.. Nov 18 21:34:40 	about the first one we need more people to discuss it, am i right? Nov 18 21:35:07 	Yep, McCabe and Nicky should be here as well I think. Nov 18 21:35:14 	for a decision, yes Nov 18 21:35:24 	but maybe we can already discuss some aspects? Nov 18 21:35:55 	Sure. Nov 18 21:36:30 	I'd like to nominate Boroondas as our replacement, since she's been doing such a good job of organising the meetings. Nov 18 21:36:42 	Thanks :-) Nov 18 21:37:00 	Luckily for me, there isn't much to organize to keep these meetings going. Nov 18 21:37:16 *	onefang smiles and nods. Nov 18 21:37:24 	:) Nov 18 21:37:26 	So don't overestimate my 1337 oranization skilz :-P Nov 18 21:37:28 	agree:) Nov 18 21:37:32 	lol Nov 18 21:37:58 	I'm not quite sure what all ZATZAis tasks so far are/have been. Nov 18 21:38:30 	Some of them where admin on the various services, spam handling and such. Nov 18 21:38:54 	I think all the main developers should have all the admin keys to everything and we can all pitch in for that sort of stuff. Nov 18 21:39:35 	Then there is blogging, which Nicky has been doing recently. Again, don't think we need a special person for that, we can all pitch in when needed. Nov 18 21:39:39 	Nicky, McCabe and me can now make blog-posts and Nicky regularly does. So part of the publicity/communication tasks is covered by that now, I guess. Nov 18 21:40:00 	Exactly. Nov 18 21:40:12 	yes. Nov 18 21:40:50 	If you two want to make blog posts, too. I guess McCabe can grant that capability. Nov 18 21:41:04 	I can't remember whether ZATZAi was the LL contact person, or we used a group email? Nov 18 21:41:07 	btw do you have access to the google calendar Boroon ? Nov 18 21:41:15 	no Nov 18 21:41:30 	I think the google calendar was still set up by Jacek? Nov 18 21:41:46 	Not sure about that, though. Nov 18 21:41:46 	idk.. Nov 18 21:41:51 	Like I said, giving all main developers keys to everything is a good idea. Nov 18 21:42:36 	yes.. Nov 18 21:44:18 	Dunno. That's how Emerald had it, IIRC, and it allowed some stupid people to do some very stupid stuff. (Not implying any of us would act so.) Nov 18 21:45:10 	That's why I say "main" developers. Don't think any of us are stupid. Nov 18 21:45:16 	:-) Nov 18 21:46:03 	Does that bring us to the second item, automated meeting reminders / calendar? Nov 18 21:46:36 	well, I guess I could set up a cron job on my server or something ... Nov 18 21:47:00 	Can't google calendar do repeat days and email reminders? Nov 18 21:47:24 	I'm sure they can do repeating events. Nov 18 21:47:38 	Dunno about email reminders. Nov 18 21:48:11 	I only actually use google calendar coz my Android phone syncs with it by default. lol Nov 18 21:48:11 	I've never set up a google calendar, yet. Nov 18 21:48:22 	ive just copied the old calendar to a new with ++ at the end Nov 18 21:48:46 	Something to experiment with. Nov 18 21:48:48 	i've added u both and nicky&mcabe as admins Nov 18 21:48:57 	Cool. Nov 18 21:49:20 	so u can change the notifications there for example Nov 18 21:51:46 	can notifications go to an address not associated with any account? (It's probably not a good idea to sign up the list address, or all subscribers will be able to recover the password for that google account ...) Nov 18 21:52:57 	may be. idk Nov 18 21:53:32 	I got the email and it's on my calendar now. Nov 18 21:54:09 	You can invite people via email, I got such on email yesterday about an appointment later today. Nov 18 21:54:21 	ah Nov 18 21:54:33 	so we could invite the mailing list address? Nov 18 21:55:00 	yes Nov 18 21:55:07 	That's the theory. Some reading of the docs and off mailing list experiments are in order. Nov 18 21:55:07 	cool Nov 18 21:56:26 	Do we have a testing list on our server? Nov 18 21:57:20 	Don't need that, just use some alternate email address for tests. I'm sure we all have a couple. lol Nov 18 21:57:21 	hmm, at least none that's publicly listed at http://lists.imprudenceviewer.org/listinfo.cgi or http://lists.kokuaviewer.org/listinfo.cgi Nov 18 21:57:34 	true, onefang Nov 18 21:58:59 	So I guess you two (onefang & kentron) will try to figure this out and tell me when I can stop sending out the manual reminders? Nov 18 21:59:20 	Sure, I'll poke at it. Nov 18 21:59:26 	Thanks :-) Nov 18 21:59:32 	ok.. how much time do want the notifications to be sent? Nov 18 21:59:46 	i mean before the meeting: ) Nov 18 21:59:48 	how long in advance? Nov 18 21:59:56 	yes, taht Nov 18 21:59:58 	24 hours, maybe? Nov 18 22:00:08 	A few days. Nov 18 22:00:42 	.. Nov 18 22:00:46 	maybe 48 hours for the monthly and 24 hours for the weekly? Nov 18 22:00:46 	2 days? Nov 18 22:00:51 	ok.. Nov 18 22:01:03 	if you send them too long in advance, people will forget again or be confused Nov 18 22:01:10 	True. Nov 18 22:01:13 	k. Nov 18 22:01:16 	popup too ? Nov 18 22:01:25 	Are multiple ones possible? Perhaps on a day or to before, an additional one on the day of the meeting, perhaps. Nov 18 22:01:25 	popup? Nov 18 22:01:47 	good idea MarcusLlew Nov 18 22:02:00 	it can be email and popups Nov 18 22:02:17 	what kind of pop-ups? who'll see them? Nov 18 22:02:28 	Popups sound annoying. And might be personal things. Nov 18 22:02:40 	people who import the calendar into their own? people who view the calendar online? Nov 18 22:02:47 	so for the monthly meeting.. email 48h before. Nov 18 22:03:06 	and 24h for the weekly. . Nov 18 22:03:11 	no popups .. Nov 18 22:03:17 	ok Nov 18 22:03:24 	can there be several reminders per event? Nov 18 22:03:25 	Imported calendars will have the software they imported into dealing with popups and what not. Nov 18 22:03:30 	yes Nov 18 22:03:33 	all that u want Nov 18 22:04:00 	MarcusLlew just suggested another reminder on the day of the meetup. Nov 18 22:04:04 	(see above) Nov 18 22:04:09 	if u want i can add an email reminder the same day .. Nov 18 22:04:15 	k.. just a min .. Nov 18 22:04:47 	let0s say, 6h before ? Nov 18 22:04:48 *	onefang withdraws his "I'll poke at it" since Kentron seems to have it all figured out and under control. B-) Nov 18 22:05:29 	I'd prefer three hours before, but that's just me. Nov 18 22:05:39 	ok, 3... Nov 18 22:05:44 	sounds good Nov 18 22:06:28 	done.. Nov 18 22:06:38 	super! Nov 18 22:06:58 	Cool. Nov 18 22:07:00 	The next item is just FYI, it seems: Nov 18 22:07:03 	"Kokua download counts from November 6, 2012. Nov 18 22:07:03 	   Windows; 297 Nov 18 22:07:03 	    Linux 64 Bit; 201 Nov 18 22:07:03 	    Linux 32 Bit; 38 Nov 18 22:07:03 	It appears there are some word of mouth recommendations taking place. Before there were peaks in downloads just after an announcement and then very few afterward. Now, there are daily changes in the count with more windows downloads than Linux. I will be unable to attend today. Just wanted to put this out.NickyP 09:42, 18 November 2012 (PST) " Nov 18 22:07:09 	now we need to add a list of guests Nov 18 22:07:41 	Ah, that's the bit I was gonna poke at, seeing about adding the mailing list as a guest. Nov 18 22:08:03 	oh.. that's an additional topic.. Nov 18 22:08:05 	If the reminders are open to nosey busy bodies like myself, I'd like to receive them. :) Nov 18 22:08:06 	Good figures. Nov 18 22:08:21 	Just add the kokua-dev mailing list for the weekly meetup and kokua-dev and impdev for the monthly? Nov 18 22:08:38 	That's the idea. Nov 18 22:08:39 	ur not guests ur re registered as admins.. Nov 18 22:09:08 	MarcusLlew, feel free to subscribe to our mailing lists. We'll try to get the reminders sent there. Nov 18 22:09:20 	http://wiki.kokuaviewer.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists Nov 18 22:10:02 	Thanks. :) I've not done so before because of the impression those were dev only. Nov 18 22:10:19 	which isn't a complaint. :) Just what I thought. Nov 18 22:10:29 	They are for dev topics, but every one is welcome to listen in. Nov 18 22:10:42 	(The meetups are for dev/team topics, too.) Nov 18 22:10:44 	I got the test calendar event. Nov 18 22:12:16 	Also, I think as long as we don't go over-board with it, it doesn't hurt to discuss related-but-not-exactly-dev topics on the mailing lists or the meetups. Nov 18 22:12:33 	Just don't turn it into a support venue. Nov 18 22:12:58 	Traditionally, that's what the forums were for, yeah. Nov 18 22:13:02 	(the test event has no reminders..) Nov 18 22:13:32 	I know. Though it seems hardly anyone of us (devs or supposed devs) is looking much at the forums recently. Nov 18 22:13:32 	Perhaps coz the test event is in the past? Nov 18 22:13:53 	Do you guys all have mod rights in the forums? Nov 18 22:14:03 	good question Nov 18 22:14:15 	(no i didnt set up invitations for that event. . Nov 18 22:15:59 *	onefang puts forums back on his daily read list. Lucky I'm a compulsive speed reader. lol Nov 18 22:17:06 	http://forums.kokuaviewer.org/memberlist.php?mode=leaders Nov 18 22:18:59 	jacek, McCabe, Codie, Armin, elektra and ZATZAi are "Global Moderators": http://forums.kokuaviewer.org/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=4 Nov 18 22:19:18 	mm I have to go for now .:/ Nov 18 22:19:31 	tomorrow I start very early. Nov 18 22:19:31 	ok, cu$ Nov 18 22:19:32 	See you. Think we were mostly done anyway. Nov 18 22:19:37 	*cu Nov 18 22:19:39 	take care! Nov 18 22:19:43 	kk,. tc all. Ciao Nov 18 22:19:44 	thx:) Nov 18 22:19:46 *	kentron has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 18 22:20:26 	McCabe is also one of the administrators, so I guess he can assign new moderators: http://forums.kokuaviewer.org/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=5 Nov 18 22:28:05 	onefang, will you post the inworld transcript? I can then append the IRC log Nov 18 22:28:22 	What was up with Hoagie? Nov 18 22:28:26 	Sure. Just a moment, I'll do that now. Nov 18 22:28:48 	Thanks, onefang Nov 18 22:29:21 	MarcusLlew, kentron and I crashed, apparently due to a texture. Nov 18 22:29:29 	Repeatedly. Nov 18 22:29:31 	Huh... weird. Nov 18 22:29:37 	So we decided to continue here. Nov 18 22:30:10 	An openjpeg thing, maybe? Nov 18 22:30:11 	Might not be the region's fault. We don't really know. Nov 18 22:31:30 *	onefang edits out all the excess "XX has entered chat range" style messages. Nov 18 22:31:52 	grep -v Nov 18 22:38:33 	http://wiki.kokuaviewer.org/wiki/ImpDev_Meetups/2012-11-19 Nov 18 22:39:06 *	onefang leaves Boroondas to edit it into shape. Nov 18 22:40:04 	thx Nov 18 22:41:01 	I suspect the crashes where due to some problem with Kentrons viewer or his cache, maybe his avatar bake. Nov 18 22:41:26 *	Tank_Master waves to all Nov 18 22:41:42 *	Tank_Master runs off :D Nov 18 22:41:47 	hehe